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Hey everyone. Doug here, you’re listening to Colorado dot F M in this episode I sit down with Ross Bowdey, cofounder of the winner craft beer festival here in Boulder.
And this event is actually coming up in just a couple of weeks. So if you like beer and you’re looking for something to do on February 29th leap day, be sure to check it out. You can learn all the details about the when and the where at winter craft beer, festival.com. And um, if you enter the code podcast on checkout, you’ll save a few bucks.
Now I just stumbled upon these guys on Instagram, so it was cool to be able to connect with Ross and make this whole interview happen quickly before the actual event later this month. And I was really excited because to this point, I haven’t yet really had the opportunity to go down the wormhole of craft beer and craft spirits movement. That’s such a great part of what’s happening here in Colorado. And so hopefully this is just the beginning of my journey to learn more about it and, uh, you know, connect with the people behind this, uh, this movement.
So winter craft beer festival, they are in their sixth year so that gives them some perspective of what’s been happening in that industry. And so we kind of talk about the craft beer industry as a whole and, before digging into what to expect at the festival.
So it was really informative and I learned a lot I really enjoyed it. So if you’re into this whole craft beer thing, I think you’ll get a lot out of it. I hope you enjoy it. You know what, Ross even brought me a couple of tickets to the event, so that’s pretty awesome. So I’ll see you all there. February 29th leap day from one to five over at the ball field house at CU. As always, any links to anything we discuss will be in the show notes, but winter craft beer festival.com is where you can find out all the details of and buy tickets.
But for now, enjoy this conversation with Ross bowtie of the winter craft beer festival.Read More
All right Ross, thanks for coming by man. I appreciate it. Um, we connected just pretty recently and you are in the last two weeks leading up to the festival.
So what keeps you up at night with, uh, two weeks to go?
Not as much as used to keep me up at night, uh, when we were first getting this going. But, uh, probably the biggest thing is we’re bringing in around 70 different businesses involved in this event. When you consider, um, the venue, the brewers sponsors some vendor that just want to be a part of the fun. And so it is a little bit of, have I communicated correctly with everyone and, and I, I know I’ve at least sent them emails, so that’s good.
But, but you just, those, those are the things until day of that you just can’t control. And, and live events is one of those things that you, you have to hold loosely to, to some of that stuff. Cause, uh, like last year one of our brewers was going to come in from a basalt near Aspen and a storm came over I 70 and he called me on Friday and said, I don’t think it’s possible.
That’s fine, man. Yeah, you’re good. Right.
You know, and, and a few people were bummed and not see them there just cause they knew of the brewery and, and all that stuff. But, but that’s the reality of live events. Sure. You have a lot of moving parts and, and you know, you just hope 30 of those 70 don’t bail in the last couple of weeks, but we’ve never had anything close to that. Right. And so, uh, so it’s more logistical and less like naked drunk dude belly slide in through the middle of the event. This is that, uh, yeah, that hasn’t been the case. You know, we, we, we feel like we’ve been part of, uh, changing the perception, you know, even even doing it, uh, alcohol centric event at CU was, was kind of a surprise for a lot of people. Just cause he’s not had great, uh, history with alcohol, you know, with a bunch of young kids doing stuff.
And, you know, in, in five years of doing the event, there has not been, um, really any significant events with, with people, um, needing to be asked to leave or anything like that. You know, it’s just good fun and, you know, people are definitely not in a place to drive at the end. Sure. But, uh, we’ve had no incidents, which is, you know, knock on wood totally. To make sure that that stays that way. Cool. And so you mentioned, um, you’ve been doing this for about five years. Is, is this the fifth, this is your sixth, this is your sixth. And what, um, you know, what were you doing before? What, what got it started and, and, uh, you know, were you already in beer or in events or was this just something you’ve wanted to kind of get involved with? Yes, so I was not in any of those spaces before starting this.
I have some friends that have started breweries and, and, and even some clients in an old world that were brewers and, and so, um, knew about the space and was passionate about craft beer drinking myself. Sure. Um, but it was, I was serving on the Lewisville chamber board years ago and they decided they wanted to do a new fundraiser of a small beer Fest. And so they just kinda looked across the table at me and said, can we do this? Um, and so, uh, I helped start a, a small city beer Fest out there that still happens every summer at the community park. And, um, I put in hours of volunteer time, um, to make that happen. And it wasn’t the F when it was all said and done. I didn’t feel annoyed. Burnt-out uh, frustrated that I gave a lot of my own social capital to a thing.
I felt like that was so much fun, even though it was a lot of work. Right. Um, and so one of my buddies, uh, from growing up here in Boulder, uh, had been working for Boulder, Boulder for 15 years and he called me after that event was like, I want to pick your brain on it. And I said, why? He’s like, well, I’m considering maybe doing a beer festival. And I was like, what time of year are you wanting to do it? And he’s like, in the winter when it’s not super busy with festivals. Sure. And I said, I will let you pick my brain if you’re looking for a business partner. And he, he was totally taken aback by that was my feeling. But it was like, I was thinking after that festival, is this something that I should look into doing? And so, um, that, gosh, it would’ve been early March of 2015 now was our first Fest and kinda the rest is history from there.
Gotcha. And so that is the motivation behind the winter festival is that there you guys kind of saw it as a gap there between like a really overcrowded summer season and then maybe not so much happening like right around now.
Yeah. And what’s funny is now that we know what we know, there wasn’t as much of a gap to fill as we had perceived. Okay. Um, so there’s, there’s stuff going on all the time. Like, uh, one of the events that’s a super cool event that we’ve already, we’ve now tried to avoid the same weekend is this thing called winter wonder grass up in Steamboat, which is a really cool blues grass festival up in the winter. But there’s a beer element to that, uh, event too. And so, uh, you start to learn about what else is happening in the winter here in Colorado. Cause there’s no shortage of fun things, but, but we, we do feel, and we, we did feel, and we do feel that, that there were not many Boulder based beer festivals and that felt as to kids who grew up in Boulder, like amiss. Um, and there are some, I’m not going to say we are the only one by any means, but for how much Boulder has had their fingerprint on the craft beer movement in this country, uh, we really felt like there was a spot right here for something like this.
Gotcha. And um, yeah, and you know, that was something that, having this interview is really exciting for me because to this point I haven’t really dove into the like craft beer distillery, um, kind of vein of what’s happening in Colorado and it’s just something I’ve been really, really wanting to do because it’s obviously it’s a huge, um, just not only like just lifestyle and trend in business that’s going on here, but it seems like, you know, Colorado is at the forefront of it, but is that really true? Like how do you see it from like an industry’s perspective? Colorado’s role in, in craft beer?
Yeah. I mean I have dove in to understanding what’s going on here and truthfully, not just, Hey, I had fun doing this festival. One of the things I like, I’ve experienced a lot of different industries in the state of Colorado over my career. You know, I’m 40 now, so the last 20 ish years I’ve never experienced an industry that is so collaborative, collective, uh, has each other’s backs. They don’t see each other as competitors, they see each other as friends.
And so not only is the product super good, but the way the industry is put together is super fun and super on the same team and, and so, uh, Colorado has been and I think always will be one of the top five States that is pushing this kinda, uh, what a curated, crafty, whatever. So it’s bigger than beer, as you said. There’s, there’s a lot else going on and there’s a lot of reasons for why Colorado is good for that. One of the most simple is just quality ingredients, right.
Um, but I also think it’s business culture. We, we embrace, we, we want entrepreneurs to be successful here. We, we as consumers see people taking a risk and say, I’m going to spend $2 more to support that person. Sure. Then the big corporate giants that are out there. And so there are a couple of reasons why Colorado has been a good place for people to take those leaps
of faith. Yeah.
They’re supported. Like you said, there’s community and then obviously the consumers support it with a few extra bucks right there for sure. Yeah. And so obviously they were all part of a, a growing pie. So there’s been room. Do you feel like that’s changing? Like it seems like there’s starting to be some degree, at least in in Boulder where some of the people are, are, are dropping out. It seemed like anybody could start a brewery and you’d be fine. And this is a very simplistic, sure outsider perspective.
But just from seeing some of these businesses rotating in through town, it, it does seem like maybe some are, are not making it and, and some of these bigger crafts, you know, like SGAs coming to town now, I guess like that and maybe are moving into the spot of, of some of these summer smaller ones. I mean, that’s just natural business. Um, and, and some of these, again, like what were pretty S, you know, small startups now 20 years ago are, are, are big players in the industry. Right. And so are you starting to kind of see consolidations and turnover? Is it, is it starting to get harder to launch a brewery? Not that it was ever easy. Sure. I mean 100%.
Just the cost of uh, equipment to start brewing, to actually make enough to sell, uh, to even make enough to start to distribute it. Like that’s, that’s a big jump. Um, but yes, we are seeing for the first time in a decade and a half, two decades, uh, a bit of a turn in the different direction of, of going not, not crazy amounts of new brewers are coming out. Unfortunately we are seeing some breweries close their doors for the first time in a long time. Um, and, and not just ones that you may be think, Oh, I barely even knew they existed. Some significant brands like the one I can think of right now that’s close to home is Boulder beer is going through some significant changes where, where they are still gonna uh, brew and distribute a few of their flagships through a company called, I think they’re called sleeping giant.
But the place that we came to know as Boulder beer is no longer. Yeah. And so, you know, that’s, that’s a real interesting thing to keep tabs on ever. At the same time, there are brands that are exploding. Yeah. And so there’s still space if you’re doing it in the right way.
If I could say what those right ways are, I, I would be a source of a lot of people be like, what do I need to do? Um, yeah. It’s, I think, I think one of the things we’re seeing is, is just people pumping the brakes on, Hey, I started five years ago, I want to be in 15 States next year.
Gotcha. I think a lot of people are going, Hey, let’s, let’s keep it a little bit more local, I think. I think the room for being, being smart and how much you’re brewing and having a space that can become your local pub there, there’s still some room there. Um, it’s, it’s when you figure how do I scale this, that I think there’s some wisdom to seek out of how to do that the right way. However, I went to an event that the Colorado brewers Guild, which is our nonprofit partner and our Fest put on for brewers and the chief economist for brewers association came and gave a, a presentation about kind of the economics of what’s happening and it’s super fascinating.
And he was talking about how when he talks to other economists and other industries, the percentage of closings in the craft beer industry is minuscule compared to every other industry. Sure. It’s not just like restaurants, which they kind of are similarly set up, but any other industry, it’s still very, very low comparatively. Oh, that’s fascinating. And uh, and speaking of them, the, the brewers Guild, they’re right here in town as well, I believe. Right. Was their office. So there’s two different entities. So the Colorado brewers Guild is based out of Denver, but represents statewide, a bunch of brewers who are part of that organization. The brewers association is based in Boulder and they’re a national, uh, association for, uh, the greater good of beer. Oh, gotcha. All right. So we just happened to be one of the States that, you know, and the brewers association is the organization that puts on the great American beer festival every year here in Colorado.
So that’s another reason why we’re, yeah. In, in the driver’s seat a lot of times for what’s happening in craft. Oh, that’s cool. And I, uh, you know, I appreciate that as high level a kind of overview, but let’s, uh, so let’s pull it back to the festival. Um, so you said, um, about 70, um, attendees of various sorts, um, and, uh, you know, I’m sure, you know, I’m not going to ask you to pick a favorite, but like, uh, what’s, uh, going on maybe this year that’s different than last year that you’re excited about? Yeah. So, so just to be kinda clear, we have about 50 ish breweries and then we have about 20 other businesses that are involved when it’s, when it’s all said and done, whether it’s sponsors or other food and beverage companies that just want to get eyeballs of all these people who want to come drink beer for the day, but 50 breweries.
Yeah. So we’re, we’re right around that number and, and uh, what’s different from last year to this year? Um, I would say the biggest thing is every year we have about two thirds of those breweries who were there last year and about a third that are new. Uh, for whatever reason, you know, whether we meet somebody’s schedule that works from a, from a Brewer’s perspective, um, whether it’s some out-of-state ones that wanted to check it out last year, but don’t have the staff in place to do it again this year. Um, but I, I’d say the biggest change is, is just having, uh, I think one of our most robust lineups we’ve ever had. Um, we’ve done a people’s choice voting since year two, where you get like a little wooden nickel as you come in that allows you to, um, vote for your favorite beer or brewery basically, however you want to use that.
And um, we, we have for the first time, every winner is here this year. Um, and so in years two and three weld works was, uh, is a brewery up in Greeley that was just starting out, showed up and people started tasting for the first time in this area, what kind of good stuff they were making. And so, so they won in years two and three. Uh, in year four, uh, a local place called mama bears brew, which is a very unique kind of beer. Uh, that’s infused with T. uh, took, took the title in year four, and then last year Loveland ale works was the winner. So all three of them are our back vine for it. And then a lot of the second and third place people throughout the years, they’re all there. And so, so that’s really exciting. But I would just say every year the world keeps expanding.
About what is craft beer. And so I just think the versatility of what you can drink at our festival is pretty crazy. Um, we, we have a sponsor that’s a hard kombucha company. We have a canned cocktail company, we have a couple of breweries bringing their hard seltzer brand that they’ve launched in the last year or two. Um, so it’s like you have that stuff, then you have saisons sours, porters, stouts, IPA,
, hazy IPA. Like it is just a lot of different types of liquid, right, that you can put into your system in one day.
So it is kind of grown beyond beer. And I thought it was like really interesting. Um, you know, what you were just saying is, uh, the crowd seems to be really appreciating, uh, new things. So like people, and it’s maybe a place where, you know, weld, uh, you know, somebody like that, uh, can come to kind of get found a little bit by a broader audience if, if they were already known in, you know, Greeley.
Yeah, yeah. That’s one of the things that I love about this is that, you know, we have some of these amazing breweries who’ve been stalwarts for 20 plus years, like an Odell, you know, um, like a great divide. And then you have some of these newer ones that I even hadn’t heard of until they shot me an email and said I’d like to bring our brewery. Sure. That they can be pouring right next to one another and that people can go, gosh, this Odell beer is amazing, but I’ve never heard of these people. And what they’re pouring is really amazing too. And so, so it’s, it’s a great opportunity for people defined what, what’s new and, and what’s old. That’s still really good.
Yeah. And like you said, if you’ve been irregular at the festival, about a third will be new.
Yeah. So it’s just the way it is regulars. Yeah. Cause the reality is everyone’s calendar fills up in a different way and so you’re just going to get it. If you came last year, you will get some of those things that you want, that you were there last year, but you’re also going to get a lot of new opportunities.
Right. And, uh, out of those 50, um, how many are, you know from Colorado and how many are, you know, how much of it’s going to be a chance to, you know, get to see things from out of state?
Yeah, so I think we’ve got 10 States represented this year. Obviously Colorado being the main one. Um, so one that is a brand new brewery this year is called two roads out of Connecticut. And so we’ve not had them before and there’s, they’ve got a lot of cool things for people to try. Um, one of the breweries that’s been coming for a while now is Lacoon bruh out of New Mexico and they make amazing beer. Uh, they’re based out of Albuquerque. Uh, I’ve actually had the pleasure to be at their tap room in Albuquerque and, and they are excellent at what they do, but we kinda just wanted to, to be Colorado focused because that’s where we’re based. But the conversation of beers bigger than just our state. And so, and I think a lot of festivals, that’s where they pull from. And when you felt like, you know, being a Boulder, being in the winter, we maybe have the opportunity to extend to some different places and give people different things to drink.
And so, you know, year two, I think we had places like logging ETA’s and point and some other really good breweries as well. Um, and we’ve just sort of grown over the years and like, people like Melvin out of Wyoming are coming and, and so, you know, you can go to the website to find out everyone, but it’s, it’s kind of fun how that’s happened. But yeah. But in year four we sort of decided to put our, our fingerprint of who we were going to invite in and kind of talk to some of the breweries that we had relationships with and say, what, what’s important to you guys right now? And it really was the idea of independent craft beer compared to craft beer that’s been bought out by the big organizations we all know exist of Miller Coors and Anheuser Busch and all these. Um, and so that’s kinda who we seek out is we want to find the independent brands that are in state and out of state.
And so that’s a lot of who we are, how we seek out our, our potential brewers. Now. That’s cool. Um, what about, uh, you know, the, the experience, what can, what are people, uh, what can they expect, you know, what they get for their ticket when they get there? Is it, you know, just for your, I saw you have some music, uh, going on is are there other kind of educational things about the industry going on as well or what, yeah, so basically what you get for buying a ticket is unlimited samples. And so you get a little four rounds, pint glass when you walk in. Um, that is your opportunity to try whatever it is you want to try. Um, so part of the way I think you can do a beer Fest is try everything but be okay. Not loving it and, and trying something else.
You know, uh, there, there’s Porter buckets all over the place at brewers. So if it’s not something you love, you, you can not have to drink at all. You know, one of the things we try to encourage people is maybe don’t pour it out right in front of the brewer to make them feel bad that it wasn’t something you love, uh, move on to the next place and you could do it there and that’s not a problem. Um, uh, but then there we, we have, uh, a company called something vinyl club coming this year and they’re going to be spinning vinyl records for us all to listen to. And then they actually have vinyl Dubai if you want while you’re there. So that’s kind of a fun thing. But the thing that’s kinda been the, the must do besides drinking has been our silent disco over the last couple of years.
And so, you know, in that VIP hour where they get in an hour earlier than everyone else, there’s not many people doing the silent disco cause they want to take advantage of, of getting to as many as possible in that first hour. While it’s not crazy, right? But come hour two, three, four, the people watching is pretty amazing and I would argue it’s probably more fun to have the headphones on and be jamming out. So, uh, those are some of the things, but all of the sponsors and the other vendors that aren’t brewers and even some of the brewers and they bring their a game and they bring things and contests and opportunities for you to just have a ton of fun. And you know, one of our premier sponsors from the beginning has been Hazel’s beverage world here in town and their booth has always a ton of fun and there’s always opportunities to win really cool prizes with them.
And you know, we encourage all of our vendors make a reason for people to stop for a second, getting more beer and check you out. So there’s usually a lot of fun opportunities. Right? Yeah. I mean Hazel’s is amazing. It’s like going to a beer Fest like every time just cruising the, the, I absolutely. Absolutely. Uh, that’s great. Um, how many people do you think will attend the thing this here? Like if you had to estimate it. Yeah, so we’ve kinda been hanging out right around 13 to 1500 people attending the last couple of years and there’s a bunch of reasons for why we’ve kind of stayed there. Um, but kind of a sell outs more about 2000 people. And with warrior we’re seeing ticket sales today. It’s looking very much like it’s going to sell out. Gotcha. So, so that’s kind of what we are expecting to see on the 29th that 2000 people are in there drinking, having fun dancing, checking things out, experiencing the wonderful world of craft beer.
Nice man, that sounds amazing. And like you, um, you mentioned it is coming up. It’s in a couple of weeks. It’s the 29th of February. And yeah, so we were given an extra day this year. And so we just said, Hey, let’s take advantage of it and have this on leap day. Cause the calendar will never again happen where, I mean it’ll be years until there’s another leap day on a Saturday. So, uh, yeah. So we, we just, uh, you know, it’s a great way to spend an afternoon on, on a cold Saturdays to come in and, and try all this out. And one of the reasons we, we used to have live music and we kind of went away from that this year and we want this to be an interactive experience for our attendees and our brewers. So if, you know, there’s a lot of brewers that are pouring, not just salespeople from the brewery pouring and so, and the salespeople know what they’re talking about too.
And so if you want to really engage and figure out, Hey, what, what did you put in this that is making it tastes like this. This is like nothing I’ve ever seen or tasted. You have the opportunity to have that conversation and not feel like all I hear is the kick drum and the snare drum and you know, um, we’re, we’re very much kind of walking that line of we want it to be accessible to the beginner drinker where there’s lots of different things. You can try to see what you like, but also the, the high end beer geeks can get in there and, and, and kinda see the portal list and go, this is what I want to, this is what I want to get to something different. And they can really, yeah. Well that’s, uh, you know, that’s great man. And it sounds like, uh, things have been moving along pretty good.
Um, I like to pick people’s brains on, uh, you know, so for five, six years you’ve been, or even beyond, like you’ve been really diving into craft beer when you’re doing your research and the rest of the year, you know, what’s a great, um, beer day for you late either in Boulder or a place you’re willing to travel to because you’re like, Oh man, I can hit these like two or three, you know, or my favorite, um, tap room, you know, do you have anything that stands out? If you had, you know, the weekend’s wide open, you have no plans, you’re like, I’m willing to drive to go to this place. Man, that’s tough cause there are so many options. Um, I think one of the, one of the things that people have started seeing as probably the most tightly packed in beer scene in the whole state is, is the rhino district in Denver.
And we’ve always had a, you know, since year two, I would say a pretty solid showing of a half dozen to 10 breweries that, that you could walk to between beers in that, in that district. But, um, man there, you know, I get the fun of being able to drive around to kind of the front range brewers and drop off stuff, posters and postcards and all that stuff to them. So they’re, there really are a couple cool spots. The Highlands in Denver is another place where you could hit up half dozen and um, but you know, I have friends that would swear by driving up to Greeley hitting weld works and Wiley routes and a few others up there and then cruising into Fort Collins and, and hitting Odell and horse and dragons, another one that’s coming in and hitting all that. But, um, my, my feeling is there’s no better thing than to get a bunch of friends on some bikes and create your own route.
Right. It’s not hard to find five within five miles of one another. So it’s not a hard bike ride. You know? Uh, every summer I have a group of, of friends of mine that we do a brewery bike tour and I didn’t start it. This was somebody else and I just came alongside it. But we’re, we all live in Lewisville and so we start in Lewisville and you’re able to hit some Lafayette and Lewisville breweries along the way. And so I, you know, breweries like odd 13 in liquid mechanics and gravity and crystal Springs and a front range. And I mean, there’s, there’s so many that we’ve gone to over the years, but we usually hit four or five in a night and have a ton of fun.
Yeah. Now that’s a, like you said, you can get creative and make your own little, uh, make your own route.
Yeah. And we’re here in Boulder. I mean, there’s enough happening in East Boulder that you could hit up slopes, Anitas uh, scar when they take over the old fate space. Uh, wills, which is a new brewery this year, eight U H L um, they, uh, are taking over the old Wildwood space. Um, and so that’s in East Boulder too. I mean, yeah, it’s, it’s not hard to be able to hop on a bike and six hours later Uber home from your last spot. Uh, so it, I, I love that sort of ideas. Just, uh, getting out, you know, not just, you know, drinking at home by herself. Part of the beauty of craft is community.
Yeah. Yeah. No, that’s fantastic. And, uh, you know, unless there’s, uh, something else you, you know, you wanted, uh, to add, I think we could probably leave it at that, but, uh, the, there is one last thing. Um, I, I do like to ask everybody, which is, uh, you know, been a fun way that this has spread in my, you know, kind of knowledge and spread, which is, uh, you know, who would you, um, think would be a great guest? Who would you love to hear more, you know, about the story and it doesn’t have to be in bear. It could just be, Aw, man, this person’s interesting. I’d love to hear you know, what they’re up to, but if you have any ideas, that’d be great.
So it’s a really good question. Um, yeah, I, I in in the world of beer, I think, I think anyone, uh, of the regional brewers I think would be fascinating, whether it’s the guys who started left-hand or the guys from Oscar blues, um, to kind of talk, not just from my perspective as a consumer over the last 20 years what’s happened in the industry, but, but, uh, to, to talk about what it’s been like to live through it and, and all those things. You know, especially in a, in a time where you see like new Belgium selling an Avery selling to these bigger companies that aren’t necessarily the Anheuser bushes of the world but are still kind of conglomerates and Hey, get your pay day. I have no problem with that. You, you’ve worked hard, you’ve created a brand, go for it. But, but just to hear some of the ones that have decided to kind of stick, stick with it and not just sell to those big ones, I think that would be a real fascinating interview to have.
Yeah. I hope I can, uh, connect with some of those people at some point. That’d be great. Well, cool. Man, if there’s anything else that you wanted to add about the festival, I mean, we’ll two weeks and uh, you know, we’ll make sure we get this episode out quickly and meaningfully. We can, we’re, we’re just super excited. We feel really lucky to, to be able to get to promote all these awesome businesses all at once. You know, my biggest passion in this has turned into just being able to connect people to things that are happening and into locally owned businesses that are, that are right here in their backyard. And so, um, promise it will not be a wasted Saturday if you, if you grab a, you know, a handful to 40 of your best friends and it head out to, to win a craft beer festival on February 29th. All right. Perfect. Well, thanks again for coming by.
It sounds like a great time and good luck keeping it rolling. Thanks so much for having me. Alright. All right, everyone. Thanks for listening and I hope you enjoyed that, uh, interview and we’ll see you there at the winter craft beer festival February 29th.